Here is a general idea of what is available. It is a fantastic box set, I own one myself, and I’ll probably upset you a bit with the next comment, but I grabbed that for only £50 it was discounted (much like most box sets these days) and it wasn’t from Amazon or HMV etc, it was from an independent store in the UK, a bit of a steal if you ask me. Why, thank you, PC – and no worries Paul (above) re: the gremlins. Value is certainly in the eye of the beholder, however each individual’s perception will vary. High pricing, high expectations. The CD or box set is delivered by the postman, you open it, you play it, you read the book/booklet and you add it to your collection. The problem is that however groovy a box set might be, it sits on your shelf, only to be seen and played by you…..and if you allow me to add Paul: played once maybe two gathering dust on the shelf…. Roxy Music – £130. It shows how the prices have often gone way beyond reasonable, that you interestingly and understandably regard £80 (The Jam / The Who) as a decent price now. The bottom line is the music. So, please release the vinyl and digital discs separate, as most consumers don’t want both formats. Really! Link to their official site: For all the negatives I read about the box for Led Zeps how the west was won, I can get all music in the format of my choice, even though I will not get the books. And, as somebody suggested, if you want new boxes, try U-Line. Sorry, the Roxy set is strictly value for price for me. As the night progresses, the Music Box … But not the ELP box and so many others. This is an optional, paid service. This is their way getting money back from us for almost 20 years of “free” downloadable music. Personally, I am after the sound so might pay £20 per high fidelity re-issue (or new issue) of something I want to LISTEN too. For that reason, different size movement can be installed and every movement size (e.g. However, I’m a huge fan and willing to do so. Personally I always prefer having something to hold, look at, read the liner notes etc. tickets, flyers etc). Things that I also consider : Mr. Squires The debut number had a rather tasteful shot of a naked couple, with Dare -ahem-prominently displayed. And it wasn’t the kind of wrong they could have known anything about – as soon as word hit the street about this release the knives were out. Instantly it’s less appealing, repugnant even, due to blatant over pricing and rich men seemingly not wanting to give much value for money – again. Okay there is a 5.1 surround mix and as someone who enjoys listening to these mixes, I know I have many box sets where the price isn’t set as high. But if something sells out at £50 you’d be mad not to make the next one £60. Design: £250, by the excellent Mark Case It has been in the making for years and years. If i think a ticket costs too much, i won’t buy it either. One of the backroom things I did with the recent Pentangle 7CD box was proofread the various written contributions (from 7 writers) to impose consistency of presentation, formatting and answer one or two check-this-fact questions. Yes, please Click here for selections of jewelry boxes with or without music. Anyone re-buying a deluxe set needs to have content to justify re-buying the record, because no matter how you put it, it is a repress/reissue, and it is the MUSIC that matters at this point, the coolness of having an original minto copy of a Roxy LP must be transcended by something that makes it compelling. Why not go straight to that price point and keep the profit yourself. Best value over £100 box set I’ve ever bought was by Blur. Money is not. Even allowing the luxury of one disc per day (and it will have taken less time than that), that’s not going to significantly affect the cost of this box set. The last vinyl LP’s I bought were so badly pressed that I returned The Eurythmics Savage 3 times before giving up. Not at this current time. Honest, maybe even cheaper actually on certain things. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); the box set and reissue music site for fans who love holding the music in their hands. It’s baffling – even tried rebooting my PC. I don’t mind them if they’re present, but they don’t persuade me to get something. Perhaps aimed at those who like to flash their Rolex watch at dinner parties, they can now flash their tickets! The problem is that the record labels have allowed music to become devalued, so $9.99 is perceived as being expensive. So my purchasing strategy is very simple; truly limited editions for my absolute favourite artists I will consider buying on day of release – for everything else I will wait for the ‘deal’ – and for me that usually means when the price comes down to around the £50-£60 mark – and if it doesn’t I can live with that, as there are others on my wish list that will !! Maybe the artists performing George’s songs are all wearing Paul Smith T-shirts on stage! And then the honest customer has to put up with such prices. I hope everything is now published and many thanks for your insight. Our rule is that if the "music box" provides any space (aside from the space for the musical movement) it can also be referred as a "music jewelry box". Find the box you want, follow few easy steps to customize with your song. of course that’s if it’s made in decent quantities. But Paul – the labels don’t seem to care. As long as the music box has enough space for the musical movement, we should be able to accommodate your request. Steven Wilson’s 5.1 fee? It’s a very interesting discussion you’ve started! This is luxery in a double sense, I have money I don’t need for living and I spend it for something unnecessary. Licensing an album is not inexpensive by any means, and the profit margin really depends on how many units you can move. And as a kid, you were very aware of that extended version. Free shipping on many items | Browse your favorite brands | affordable prices. 2. Try and do this for £15 and there would soon be complaints over poor reprographics or typos in the text or getting the work experience chap to do the audio and having a drop which nobody notices. So….should I lie awake at night worrying about Steven Wilson’s potentially loss making (sic) solo albums? But to do none of that risks alienating the few remaining fans of deluxe physical product, and that’s a far more dangerous game for labels to play than “how much can we get for this?”. A big part of the enjoyment though is the hunt and getting what I think is a good price. Yes. We ship out of Los Angeles, CA. Yes, we provide you with an unmatched 100% no questions asked 1 year/365 guarantee or exchange policy. One of my favourite items. For the last year, I have been going through the process of licensing quite a few albums from all three of the majors, Sony, Warner Bros and Universal. IMO they can’t be considered a deluxe item because physical formats (CD or Vinyl belong to the past and they’re are not the latest tech), physical formats are devaluated in general nowadays except perhaps between collectors but we are only a niche at the end of the day. Buy 2 of each and you can realize a 300% markup over a time horizon of 6 to 8 years. Alright, enough talk. If you can’t live without it, buy it. If they over-price then the market place will soon let them know by not buying the product, ie unsold stock results. For my money, the best deluxe box sets going are by Jethro Tull. A great example is the Def Leppard Hysteria SDE which I paid full price for but got all the mixes etc I wanted. I have to disagree entirely. Clearly, NO ONE at the label/design end had checked it…, Another (more absurd) example is a note I was asked to write for Santuary in the early 2000s for a reissue of a very much ‘of its time’ 60s flower power-esque album. I’ve 600-odd more words to post – but I seem to have found the SDE posting word limit! .. also, it’s worth remembering hardly anyone moans JUST about the price of these things, there’s usually specific reasons and carelessness in CONJUNCTION with the price which winds some of us up, eg with Roxy, the missing B side and the reuse of the 1999 master which has been populating bargain bins for almost two decades, or the download only shambles in Flowers in the Dirt. George Michael’s Listen Without Prejudice box was £30 and you got three CDs and a DVD in that. It’s this which people are willing to pay for, not the fluff around it, and the market value of these things pays testament to the fact. Later it can be reissued without numbering thereby retaining exclusivity and, in the future, price for those that bought pre order. All that matters is how something can be accessed not how good / bad it sounds. But if I think about the recent Queen News Of The World, Eagles Hotel California, McCartney’s Flowers etc., then I can only say that it is all completely insane. you can hear it, you can feel it, but you can’t hold it. This decision is based on the fact that I can afford this hobby. The irony here is that at the time of the CD explosion (the early 90’s, lets say) when you could’ve sold hundreds of thousands of SDE’s to active buyers, I proposed these types of multi-disc sets to artist and they either laughed in my face (Costello) or rejected the idea (Bowie). Now the u2.com fan club ticket presale only offered me tickets in the +200 Pound range, so I decided not go to any of their concerts on this tour. In this game of pricing ‘chicken’ the label gave in and just four months later you could buy the set for HALF the original price. You will also see them at the checkout. At this point, there’s not much to add to the conversation. No one has any idea how many of these Roxy Music sets are knocking around! I’m not interested in this Roxy Music set, but if I was, I wouldn’t be comparing the price favourably. I have ordered the box set from recordstore.co.uk who I think are connected to soundofvinyl.com and universal music as well. That’ll do me. Ceste Le Vieve. It’s not right – why add the Vinyl? The old pictures are nice, but if they weren’t there I wouldn’t miss them. Whoa, why are records in all these different sizes and RPMs? Roughly $850 US . These are spot on. Maybe among some of us it makes a difference if we know that this or that writer has contributed notes to a particular reissue – because we know they’ll be substantial and significant. Additional vocals added to complete 2 tracks by Phil Jones, original Quin singer: around £100, wired to a studio in the US I believe that principle applies to books within box sets – we all expect them to be there, know more or less what we expect them to contain, but we subconsciously regard them as having only a modest ‘value’. It's the magical sound behind the music box. Personally I don’t care about 5.1; I am only interested in improving the stereo audio on reissues, deluxe or not. I notice a smartphone is included in the illustration of luxury items. Unlike a luxury brand that is branded with expensive commercials, packaging and shops so people who are lacking confident try to project that image on themselves by buying the overpriced products. The point here is that the label got this wrong. If you start the 4cd boxset off with $150, most people will just laugh. There is some truth in your comment about the ‘value’ of certain items that can portray a social standing but I suspect the people hanging back from paying that £130 for the Roxy box set that they have waited a long time for are not the kind of people who buy a t shirt for £65. Just give me the music on cd and I’m in. That all said, if it seems like too much, don’t pay it. Less? The "Custom Music Box Module" is one of the newest creations combining tradition and cutting edge technology from Music Box Attic. Beyond a very limited niche of super collectors that may take notice and hold you in higher esteem as a result of the flashiness of your collection, folks generally do not achieve the intangible benefits of “conspicuous capitalism” as a result of their music purchases. Absolutely. Why are cardboard boxes so expensive? trust me, keep paying these exorbitant £150 prices for a Deluxe Roxy Music Box Set Or Flowers in the Dirt Box Sets and the even more ludicrous Super extortionate prices will be just around the corner….. I’m just going to add two words to this debate: Genesis Publications. This is what is most important. Honor thy father and mother. But this box even got that wrong, and included an old mastering that everyone knows has been redone by Steve Wilson – whose excellent reputation suggests would have done a damn fine job. It’s time to dig out those dusty jewel cases sitting in your attic to see if you have any of the below expensive CD releases. It was the same car. .I think it’s *always* a value judgment, even if you consider something to be a luxury item; it’s just that the metric of value is different. Extras – I love it when they include all the mixes – b-sides, promos, and edits. What could be done? Just like a painter or any other performing artist. I have a feeling that Roxy’s label is pushing it deliberately to see what fans will pay & if they deem it a success, that price level will become the norm, not in this House it won’t be! DVD authoring from two or three blocs of content? The sad thing is what most artists can’t face is that their early material is in almost all cases their best material. Your notion on the matter of perception of value versus luxury item is definitely the heart of the matter. This might sound odd but I feel there is a difference between actual value and the worth we attach to sth The original Roxy Music Album is sublime and the box will add to that no doubt. Record companies need to monetise their back catalogues to make money. I already feel like they’re going to destroy the resurgence of vinyl, especially reissues, with massive price gauging. But making this "silk" isn’t easy. Right now I still buy quite a bit and physically it only takes up one corner of a spare bedroom. lower runs will cost more, don’t forget of course that the box sets aren’t just made, they have to be designed and the music and contents put together, and that’s usually done by blokes paid far more than those in the sweetshops making the t shirts. They all stream or buy the odd CD from the supermarket or Amazon but they would never go to a record store for an album, buy vinyl or a deluxe edition. We – SDE fans – want physical product. The problem is, if you want to make it a luxury item, it needs to feel “definitive,” like the Sgt Pepper box. I’ll read it once then never again. In the end a Super Deluxe Boxset is not a luxury item. that’s why clothing can be sold at half price to clear them, and stores don’t lose money, or debenhams does the 70% off blue cross, as they sell a lot of own brand products. eBay lists thousands of varieties of reasonably priced music boxes for sale from many genres. The initial pricing of Def Leppards Hysteria on orange vinyl was about £24 but you’re lucky if you see one on EBay for less than £80! I don’t think reducing the price of Automatic For The People from £80 to £50 would lead to a doubling in sales, not even close. Live performances are different. The only pride to be had from owning any of this stuff is entirely personal and singular. However, as a music collector I will add my take on it. It has nothing to do with quantity, and all to do with quality. A collection smaller in size but filled with pricey SDEs might have the opposite of the intended effect (with respect to “conspicuous capitalism”) – that collection may be held in less regard than the large, well-curated collection….”. They seem to hold the people who made them very wealthy with an element of contempt. Grudgingly they might issue a replacement disc or two but only if they are pushed hard and have a conscience (How easy would it have been to press the Flowers in the Dirt download only CD – but they really showed how little we matter at that very point). The reason I would wait is that I own so many box sets and the cheaper they are the more I can afford to buy which is PURE greed I know. human league “a very british…” Probably not but it’s certainly very indulgent…. If it does materialize then move on smartly. I spend much money on music, but I would NEVER buy such items. (I’m even struggling to get to $80 on the one they DID put out, but I might convince myself of that – time will tell.). The limited edition method doesn’t and will not work for me. As for those 65 quid Paul Smith REM t-shirts; yes they are nice but 65 quid for a cotton garment will never be an acceptable price, designer or not designer! And Peter being such a perfectionist, and taking forever and a year to release new material, I am shocked he hasn’t sanctioned this approach to his entire back catalog. I got the Shadows polydor albums boxset a couple of months ago and considered it an absolute bargain at £50 – particularly as it contained a signed print. Seeing the montage picture used to illustrate this feature makes me think, that another thing is that unlike watches, smartphones, cars or whatever, is that whatevsr the merits or lack of in those things, you’re buying something originated by the company concerned, whether it’s Apple, Ferrari, Rolex or Skoda. You might want to check your boxsets again, and see if you are looking at the proper ones. As for Roxy, I’m quite content with the complete albums box set, the CDs of extended versions and b-sides were exactly what I’d been waiting for and the remastering was superb. For decades I didn’t possess a car so all this money other people spent for a car went into my collection. I like your ‘house’ analogy, too. It was a real labour of love by the look if it, unlike ROXY MUSIC. The Music Box timer. A new album on CD is £10, a deluxe edition, perhaps with some kind of bonus disc might be £10-£13. And as Chris Squires said, the number of people buying these box sets is very limited. It’s all about the music, stupid! For example Cathedral Oceans, normally £80 – £90 for a 5LP set, reduced to £44.99. In both cases, for the very first time, I returned these new discs for a refund because they’re brickwalled to death. I was lucky to purchase it but I cannot find Songs From the Big Chair without a huge price tag on it. The Roxy debut superdeluxe has been talked about for years. I will then finalize my listening pleasures by listening to my box sets, many unopened until that very moment. I don’t know where to start, so I’ll hold off. Yes, the packaging I’m sure is beautiful but it’s a great deal of money, Your email address will not be published. Granted, it was a deluxe, limited-edition double-vinyl version of … We do look at it as a value proposition, with some room for increased prices on the basis of “luxury” presentation or collectability, however when the scales become far too tipped in the direction of “deluxe” status over content value, that trade-off devolves. I liked to go to gigs and i liked to buy LPs and CDs. The prices for the latter would be the same, irrespective of artist or record company. Driving up prices drives me up the wall. Why CDs still matter. I will add two words as well, Snap Galleries. We all spend too much money and too much time on these things but we all love them. The package wasn’t a considered a ‘naughty, but nice’ luxury. I think the reason for massive price hikes in ticket prices that gets everyone’s goat is two fold and probably obvious to all. ========================== ; that there’s a solid amount of interesting musical content that can’t be obtained any other way; and so on. The breakdown of some of the costs (from memory) might be interesting to SDE readers: License from Universal: £1500 or £2000 Most of the acts that would feature in SDE are over 50 or 60. I assume that is one way of saying vinyl sales are up, package them with cd’s in box sets. But I don’t want to be forced to do so. Are you sure you didn’t get something else? Varieties of collectible music boxes available. Why is this important? So you will not gain a status among non collectors for having a deluxe set. with a £45 to £50 deal alert. Each Music box is run by a movement, which is quite intricate and unique to each song. £20 or so so how does £20-£30 equate to £150?. Same for the Verve sets. It’s something like 25-26 discs. Music Box Attic carries a huge selection of personalized music boxes, jewelry boxes, musical gifts, custom music movements and custom music boxes. I love Roxy Music. A luxurious book and multiple discs (no matter how irrelevant to the buyer) give the IMPRESSION of value for money. The good thing about that Blur box set is that the four discs of unreleased material has remained so; it’s never appeared on streaming services or been issued separately. After you read the books, how often do you go back to them? I have no doubt we will see more box sets in the next few years that push the barriers of what the consumer is willing to pay. I think you bring up an interesting point here that the record companies don’t quite seem to understand. Lastly, I have a chronic addiction for vinyl box sets and I need to get treatment!! Personally I think the problem is for those people who want to own luxury items but cannot afford the prices, and there starts all the complaint about how much things are overpriced. A 7″ vinyl box-set of the first 5 Damned singles pressed yesterday just hasn’t got the same cultural vibe as those same singles pressed and purchased in 76 or 77. And don’t forget the fact that most people (if not all) will rebuy an album they already own (perhaps in a deluxe version). I oversaw the whole thing, attending all the mix sessions, so it took a lot of time but it was a joy to do and all involved went extra miles to make it as good as possible. I always thought that a Super Deluxe Version Box set is a boutique version of buying an album, whether it is a new or classic album. You could say the same about forking out on any hobby/interest that the general public has no interest in. Most professionals who repair music boxes will tell you that repairing a music box is a difficult task. The retailer will net around $5.40 (30%). Anything over £50 is pure profiteering. It is cardboard and plastic sold for way too much money. I got the Sgt Peppers box for about $108, and feel like they nailed it. This can be a shame, sometimes, because – and this goes for books in general – the average punter will have no idea about the true cost of the content. Discussion in 'Wholesale and Trade' started by Discount Fashion, Sep 28, 2012. Yes, all true, furthermore, everyone is used to paying a tenner for a cd, more or less. To get this to market has taken dozens of people a long time, it doesn’t just magic it’s way into the shrink-wrap for a tenner. Spending a lot on music releases I suppose is a bit different and possibly appear absurd to the many who consume yet spend so little on it. I’m glad box sets are produced for those that can afford them, ( imagine the conversation that might follow ” Sorry, no family holiday this year I just bought 3 Bowie vinyl box sets”) because it means some of that content will filter down at lower price points, and it really is the music I want rather than nice extras. Please contact us at (866) 622-8842, email or chat for exact pricing. Additional guitar to complete 2 track by Dave Codling, original rhythm gtr: free (generously recorded by Dave at his home studio in Leeds) It’s “jumpers for goalposts” I know but you are right. Def Leppard’s Hysteria was in print for a shorter span last year. An artist is as value as he is at the moment. Re: Quadrophenia – I agree it was a complete shocker that a 5.1 mix wasn’t included in full (and then magically appeared a couple of years later on bluray). When you can buy all of Queen’s vinyl LP’s in one easy box, it seems a bit odd to me as a collector, but each to their own. And some SDEs may be much more desired than others, e.g., McCartney’s Flowers In The Dirt is no Ram. If I were in charge, I would think of a lower tier for the casual buyer, and if you are going to go super deluxe, then go big or go home. Dr. Volume, can’t say anything else except that I agree with you 100%. If I’m going to spend a certain amount of my hard earned cash on music, it better give good value for my money. SDE’s for me are a way of chasing audio holy grails – rarities, b sides, a way to replicate original vinyl mastering on CD…. I didn’t initially buy the box set and at the time and it was the only way of getting the Live at Hull concert on CD. Not sure it can be compared with seeing an act live. Others have been maligned for poor value (Human League, Roxy Music, REM), errors or missteps (Simple Minds, David Bowie, Yazoo), or omissions (Roxy Music, Eurythmics). From your child's recital, a personal message you recorded for someone or a song you heard before. The internet makes originality more difficult, since nearly everything from the past is instantly available for comparison. Is there a difference. There is a certain amount of snobbishness that goes on in the collector world (of which I am guilty). It’s always been about the music and having a physical item in my hand to show that I spent my hard earned money purchasing it. The trojan horse is putting together almost every track in the vaults and pressing a limited run and charging a new benchmark price ; 6 months after that release, after whetting appetites and publicising its existence, selling it by the boat load for ‘half price’ has to be the end game and the real £generator for the labels sat on all the big-name back catalogues. Physical music has never really been sold as a luxury item and therefore marketing super deluxe editions of one album into a £100+ product is no easy task. Just like having a color TV in the 60’s or HDTV 15 years ago, a CD player in 1984, an Ipod in 2003, etc. Why put badly recorded demo’s on a cd when thesewere never used because they were too bad in the first place? Yes, please Click here for further details on how to go about mail in payments. Lotus silk is one of the rarest fabrics in the world. I guess value is subjective as I do not understand paying £65 for a T-shirt just for a brand name on what is just a T shirt. What I want is an informative booklet and the music itself. There is a problem with my order, what should I do? most people buying expensive box sets are diehards who already have the entire physical collection of their idols anyway. When I read well written, well researched, interesting, informative sleevenotes I always think “I hope the writer was well paid for that”, but I suspect mostly they were not. Brave piece and “Kudos,” Paul. 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