New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. i can hit my irons well but i cant hit my driver cause i end up slicing every driver shot. What can we do to work on our stroke? I just can't play to a fade or big fade off the tee due to the strike. With irons you are trying to make a divot whereas with driver you aren't. Patrick Reed or Paige Spiranac: Who would you rather have on a GolfWRX podcast? They are flying off the shelves, so go to PerfectPractice.Golf to confirm availability! We get to the range and the ball is fading. If you want to get better think about what you are doing. It just stays firmly in the heel or centre heel. The face-to-path ratio with his irons is 4.2, but 7.8 with his driver. As an example I’ll use Kevin, who recently came to me for a lesson. Any suggestions you may have to correct this would be helpful. Consider adjusting your stance so that the ball is slightly forward. I address my driver in the toe as I end up a little forward (on my toes through impact) just not as noticable when you do it with an iron but also by the toe. So instead of taking unplayables/OB’s, 3 wood off the tee, best and safest move you can play. Lessons!! The driver has been in the closet for nearly 2 years because I could hit my 4 iron farther so why waste the space in the bag. There are many possibilities including. For more information regarding Punta Mita, golf outings, golf schools and private lessons, please email: [email protected]. With his driver, however, his spin rate is completely unmanageable. Let’s examine his iron and driver swings on Trackman. He was kind enough to give us five drills even he will be doing to get better over the winter. As always great info Tom! His angle of attack (AoA) with his 6 iron is -2.7 degrees, but gets much steeper (-7 degrees) with his driver. I tend to hook most of the time and when I try to adjust then I fade it. Good golf tends to get muddied up in one box—hit it long, hit it straight, make every putt, and card a ton of birdies. Also, the higher loft on the face creates more backspin which leaves less room for side spin, so even misses will go straighter. He’s a good player (about a 12 handicap) with a ton of swing speed (about 110 mph with his driver) that would help him… if he could keep his driver in play off the tee. It depends on how Andy’s hands are at impact, some people go higher, some lower and how long his arms are. The plan is not to win essentially, it’s to stick to his plan so he can win. Claude Harmon III told me this one. When you swing with an iron, your greater priority is accuracy. I just want to hit my driver with more consistency. I always wondered why at 5’8″ my irons had to be adjusted to 2* upright and why I hit my hybrids and fairway woods more off the toe. Some golfers start to hit well when I ask them to sweep the ball instead of trying to hit up on the ball. If you struggle with inconsistent ball striking with your irons and you have either the Early Release or Hanging Back swing faults then you need to continue reading because we may have the secret on how to strike your irons better than ever. Shallow Angle of Attack / Fat Shots You may experience a shallow angle of attack along. I hit my drives 290 to 300 and I am pretty accurate with my driver. The goal is to get honest with yourself, pure and simple. For about the last two weeks, I've been completely unable to hit my irons, either on the range or on the course. Go find a PGA pro and take lessons, then practice as prescribed. You also might be on your toes at impact, tough to tell without video. Just like it sounds. Do you have any tips, or video links to cure these faults? This means your driver swing should be different from the swing you use with your irons. Once again start realistically. This is in spite of path and face numbers being similar and strike quality being the same (smash factor). The carry distances between his 6 iron (162.7 yards) and his driver (211.8 yards) are only separated by 49.1 yards, yet his driver swing speed is 14.6 mph faster. They create more ball speed and usually possess the lowest lofts in the bag, thus they tend to move more offline than irons. Thank god for the Perfect Practice mat, we now have the opportunity to get some reps in over the winter and actually get better. If you need to think of it that you're going to hit your driver only as far as your 3 wood you can do that, I also hit off the heel. Copyright © 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. I start trying to get the draw back and he asked, “What are you doing?” He said, your shot today is the fade, you are fighting yourself already, and you haven’t even teed off yet. I told him a draw. I know ive got a solid swing, my 7 iron dispersion is that of a low single figure handicapper. Many common driver mistakes begin with golfers using the same approach to driver shots that they use for iron shots. You're just standing too close to the ball. Cut down to 44″ which gives me a bit more control but I kept trying to muscle the driver. Make every action mean something. Most golfers struggle to hit their driver as well as they hit their irons, which makes scoring very difficult — especially on courses with tight fairways. Had lots of lessons over the past few years. For example, Charles Howell III is perceived as a great ball striker, but the stats would say differently. Not how I fixed Kevin. Golfers of all abilities struggle with how to hit driver. The added loft will spin the ball more than normal. Give me a driver or 3W and I am suddenly the king of outside in and struggle to keep the fade from being a big slice or a push fade. As the swing gets longer, swing flaws have more “time” to get worse. COVID-19 had us all locked in at home, wanting to get out and play, and finally, we were able. I cannot hit my irons worth a damn. Range sessions mimic shots he needs to hit on the course, tee shots and approaches are thought out to mitigate any risk and at times, increase the odds of a low number. Hi David, Thanks for your question. It’s more than 4,500 rpm. Whether its thin straight, fade, draw, three quarters, whatever. His swing direction (-1.4 degrees) and club path (-0.7 degrees) with his 6 iron is very manageable, but with the driver it becomes almost unplayable. There are many possibilities including. Thanks! I gotta work on it. This drill ensures that your eyes and hands are in harmony. At his speed, he should be able to carry his driver around 276 yards. It’s all done without swinging a club or input from another human being. And 9 times out of 10 just doing this solves there driving … Again, hard to tel because of no video, but try that. But, I can walk up to a drive with 120 left to the hole and have no damn clue where my iron shot is going. whats the big difference when it comes to driver and iron swings and why do you struggle with a driver when your iron game is ok. Thank you . At no point during that week is TW just winging it…so why would you? All things being equal, the less loft you have the more the ball will tend to curve. Do you have plans on a follow up article on how to fix the problem? Does anyone have any far out ideas I can try on the range? It’s not a recipe of hit balls, work on the short game, or even video work with a great coach. When I went to see him, he asked what my shot was. GOOD GOLF IS PLAYED IN A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS. Now can he grind with his coach to dial in his ball striking? You are standing to close with the driver or you are standing to far way. What adjustments will correct the problem? i understand that means that im hitting the ball with an open club face. Imagine it this way. Nothing like healthy competition amongst friends!. Because of that, sometimes a simple setup change of starting with your arms a little more extended at address which forces you to stand a little … This can also cause golfers to hit the ball off the toe, invoking horizontal gear effect with the driver that helps limit a slice. Hit the hybrid like you would hit a fairway wood and not a long iron. Make sense? As the AoA becomes more down or negative with the driver, the efficiency of impact decreases in the way of a lower smash factor, an overly high spin loft and increased ball spin. It’s almost like this guy loses his mind when he gets his driver in his hands. As the club gets longer, the path tends to become more exaggerated from out to in for golfers who come over the top. The full swing can be remedied with indoor fitting bays, practice sessions, etc. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://blog.simplegolf.net/my-golf-swing/. The other fun thing about irons is you naturally arent just trying to hit the ball as far as possible...you have more control needs, so your swing typically mirrors that. 30 putts focusing on the roll and speed to start; you make what you make. Tom is also a Trackman University Master/Partner, a distinction held by less than 15 people in the world. Very informative and interesting article, I have the same problem a slight revurs pivot and come over the top. To start give yourself some room in between, no need to go Tiger style and leave little to the imagination. So, to actually get better, every effort you make, whether it be a round or range session, think about where you want to finish and start planning how you will get there. But for the life of me I can't get anything decent out of any of my irons on a full (or even 1/2 or 3/4) swing. For example: When Tiger plays the Masters, his whole week is centered around his plan. In fact, out of the shots that I hit, the lo… Shot my first 100 in a few years. For his swing speed, optimal spin rates range from 1,700-3,500 rpm, depending on AoA and ball flight preference. The conclusion being how Kevin got better. In golf, drivers and irons are used for what's called the "long game," which consists of hitting the ball as far as the golfer can to drive it closer to the hole. I've helped lots of people for fun. He is a Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher, and has been honored as a Golf Digest Best Teacher and a Golf Tips Top-25 Instructor. Why do you think he is coming in too steep? It is very common that irons are easier to hit due to the fact that they are shorter which makes them more controllable. Try recording yourself, both face on and down the line with driver vs irons. Kevin’s driver shot curved offline much more, however. It’s because my head drops and my weight goes to my toes in my backswing and stays there through the downswing. Drivers have lower spin lofts than irons. Find a buddy that also has a PP Mat and go nuts. Lie boards are useful, but if you get fit for your fault and get it taught out of it by a professional, you’ll need your clubs adjusting again! But while most golfers don’t realize that even pros miss 40% of fairways (yes, that’s right, they are failing almost half of the time), there is something amateurs can really do to improve their driving distance and consistency. Mark Crossfield golf professional talks driver swing and iron golf swing. That makes their AoA more down, or more negative. Sorry for the confusion. As an example I’ll use Kevin, who recently came to me for a lesson. With a 6 iron, his spin rate is above average for his swing speed at roughly 8,000 rpm. Nothing like creating “have to” scenarios to build confidence. When swing speed picks up, path issues will also become more of a problem. I know my swing path is very neutral, all my irons will generally have a baby draw. That is if you’re doing the same thing that caused my heal strikes. You have to have a baseline shot to work off of to play well. Andy, I had always thought the same thing, but the lie board says differently. If you are always hitting heel it's possible. All else being equal, you’ll hit the ball farther with a driver than any other club in your bag. Well, it means that even off center hits will still fly high and decently straight. I'm happy to provide swing review for you if you want. Even though you’re thinking 80%, in reality, you’ll probably end up just short of parallel which is perfect. The driver is a high-risk, high-reward club for many golfers. Matt Killen is a buddy of mine and a swing/putting coach to some of the best players in the world. http://blog.simplegolf.net/my-golf-swing/, Sounds like you are trying to swing too far with your driver, just swing it like a 7 iron and let the loft take care of distance. This drill helps to hone in on the line, speed, roll, and path. Without a video it would be hard to tell but you probably are making an iron swing with your driver. When golfers come over the top, which is displayed on Trackman with negative club path and swing direction numbers, they also tend to swing more down. Don’t hit the golf ball the same way you would hit it with a driver. Yes, it’s the first hole, and you want to get the round started, but any great endeavor does require a road map. Sometimes, you get lucky and hit a good one, and sometimes you spray it. You can achieve one or the other by making just a couple small changes to your swing approach. Like us, GolfWRXers love to see what the professionals have been using throughout their year on tour, and 2020 has... Mike Thomas WITB Driver: Titleist TSi3 (9 degrees) Shaft: Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 50 S 3-wood: Titleist TSi3 (13.5 degrees) Shaft:... Driver: TaylorMade SIM (9 degrees) Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 60 TX 3-wood: TaylorMade SIM Titanium (15 degrees) Shaft: Mitsubishi... Driver: TaylorMade SIM Shaft: Project X EvenFlow Riptide CB 3-wood: TaylorMade SIM Max 5-wood: TaylorMade SIM Max Irons: TaylorMade P7MC... Bryson DeChambeau watches on in awe at 302-yard 8-iron strike, How to select the proper tees to play from (What tees you should play from), The average driving distance for male GolfWRX members by age, The trailer for HBO’s new Tiger Woods documentary will give you goosebumps. I play a narrow course that requires good tee shots, lots of trees and water. It’s because the longer swing of the driver usually exacerbates most swing flaws. the ball begins its flight going straight but ends up tailing off to the right. Many times these golfers still have great control over their irons. After mastering the hook you can change the amount of hand turning over in your swing to hit … I hit my irons well and fairly consistent,but whenever it’s the driver and occasional fairway wood I get anxious and I get inconsistent with my shots with these clubs. Get to the core of who you are as a player. Your driver may be too lofted as well. How many times have you stepped on the first tee, put a peg in the ground, and just blindly smacked one. Get a mat. This explains a lot of my problems. This drill gets you two different things, the feeling of a proper release (trail hand) and the feeling of a firm lead hand (lead hand). With your irons, when you lower the loft angle of the clubhead, you typically hit the ball farther. BUT I never use a driver off the tee because I can't shift my strike towards the toe more. As you know both of these swing faults encourage the bottom of the arc of your down swing to bottom out before the ball. Small clubface-Driving irons do have a smaller clubface which makes them intimidating to use for some golfers; Consistency-Many golfers struggle with finding consistency in a driving iron. Both clubs are built to standard length (39.75 inches in the 1 iron, 39.25 inches in the 2 iron) and have Oban’s Kiyoshi Purple 100-gram hybrid shaft in stiff (04) flex. You address the golf ball with a driver and lay it flat on the ground. I’ve always felt that the club was too long and guess I hadn’t choked up enough. Best of 10, 20, 30 whatever. My driver and 5W have been relatively good; the 5W on the range this morning was fantastically consistent off the turf. Irons can be “driven into the ground” with a steeper AoA and still be mostly playable… but not with the driver. Here is my own analysis of my own swing in case it helps. So my first advice to people that can hit their irons well but not their driver is to get the exact same shaft as is in their irons put in their driver. How to Hit Your 5 Iron Better. In this article, I will help golfers understand why many of them are struggling with their driver and what they can do about it. This skill, also known as full swing, is essential to completing regulation holes under par, but oftentimes beginners struggle to … Next 18 at a tougher course, shot a 76 with no driver, only a 3 wood. So get out your journals, start tracking your game via Arccos or any game tracking app, and the data will speed up the process. The change that is most important here is ball position. On a related note, your hands may not be ahead of the ball as much as they should be with driver. You want to manage exactly how far the ball flies and the direction in which it travels. It’s not so much of an issue with the driver as you are hitting more up on the golf ball but for your irons it’s a death move. Driving is my strength. Learn how your comment data is processed. But it doesn't have to be that way. And 9 times out of 10 just doing this solves there driving problem. This angle will not be that different than the starting angle but now the angle is more horizontal whereas at address you the angle is more vertical. Wunder: If I could build the perfect 2021 bag…it would be…. This time lose the gate around the putter and create a narrow path with golf balls down the line. When the driver is flat, the ball is in the center of the face. An interesting article with no conclusion. Why? Kevin has a tendency to “stand the shaft up” through impact with both clubs, raising his vertical swing plane. I'm glad I'm not the only one with the struggle! The main reason why a golfer can’t hit their irons consistently is due to incorrect stance, poor contact with the ball, or using an iron that is too long or short for their height. Most weekend golfers have difficulty hitting long irons because their faces have very shallow lofts and the shafts are relatively long. Tiger Woods said the ball position is the silent killer of your swing. Let me know if you find a solution! So I used to have this issue but I had a simple fix... may work for you. Some golfers struggle to hit woods or drivers consistently. All rights reserved. As we compare the two swings you will note several things of interest. Don’t we all buddy. So the first piece of advice to people that can hit their irons well but not their driver is to get the exact same shaft as is in their irons put in their driver. But what was the plan? It’s also a good way to get that putter head tracking down the line. Well, you can buy a driver that is very easy to hit. My driver was great as well. Protect what you do well and get the sore spots manageable. This is 100% me right now. It may be a mess at first. IF YOU WANT TO GET BETTER AND STAY BETTER….THINK, THINK, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING…(Caps are because I’m yelling). With your driver, you want power. Kevin’s faulty pivot is causing his poor transition from the top, and as the club gets longer it allows him to move deeper into the backswing and turn his body more, which amplifies his flaws. Most golfers struggle to hit their driver as well as they hit their irons, which makes scoring very difficult — especially on courses with tight fairways. Your email address will not be published. Golf is chess, not checkers. I had the same issue. I started standing comically far away from the ball at the tee, literally making heel strike impossible without tipping over forward. If you're a beginner or are starting a kid in golf, make it a key to hit the driver as far as possible. Learn to hit it off the tee if your driver is like mine – unreliable. In my travels, I have heard three nuggets that glue all the world’s best together. Take a three-fourth smooth and slow backswing and strike the ball correctly with a descending blow. 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